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walterbyrd
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Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

Apparently, F/OSS is creating jobs for developers, not taking jobs from developers. In other other news: Java, OpenOffice, and MySQL, are all owned by Oracle. Google, Mozilla, Red Hat, IBM, and many other for-profit companies hire developers to create F/OSS. Sadly, some people can not understand any business model other than that used by Microsoft.

 

> "Believe it or not, there is still this illusion that Linux and open-source software is written by counter-culture, C++ programming cultists living in their parents' basements or huddled together in Cambridge, Mass. group-houses. Now CNet reports that the Linux Foundation has found that 'over 70% of all [Linux] kernel development is demonstrably done by developers who are being paid for their work.' That Linux is primarily developed by paid developers should come as no surprise considering that Linux enables many companies — hardware, software, and online services — to be more competitive in their markets and to find new ways to generate revenue. 'What's important about how Linux and open-source software is created isn't the side issues of politics or how its developers are perceived; it's that its fundamental methodology produces better software,' writes Stephen Vaughan-Nichols."

 

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/12/05/0441216/Paid-Developers-Power-the-Linux-Kernel

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

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A few guys getting paid a small fraction of their worth doesn't mean that they're 'paid' developers.

 

Haven't I been over with you on this topic many times before?

 

I suppose I could mail a $1 bill to all F/OSS developers, and the entire community, under your definition, would be 'paid'. 

 

Of course, we both would acknowledge the absurdity of that.  So why don't you acknowledge the absurdity of these kernel guys who provide literally millions of dollars worth of value to F/OSS and only get "paid" $50-$150k/year in most instances, if even.

 

I wish I could name some big, brand-name F/OSS developers I know of, that put up webpages describing their personal lives, with pictures of their houses, blogs, etc., that describe how, despite providing software that literally powers the Internet, they basically eke out a living and have to worry about mundane things like car maintenance, and whether they can afford a Saab or whether they should stick with an off-lease Dodge.  I don't think it would be very professional though to do so, so I will refrain, but if you ever attend an open source conference, you will distinctly note the lack of extravagance.

 

In ther words, the devil is in the details buddy.  Better questions to ask is how much they are paid.  Of course, engineers are usually terrible arbitrers of the value of their own skills, so they often accept far less than their worth as compensation.

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

 


pitz wrote:

A few guys getting paid a small fraction of their worth doesn't mean that they're 'paid' developers.

 

Haven't I been over with you on this topic many times before?

 


Yes, we have been over this. Unfortunately, you still don't get it. It's not a "few guys" it's not a "small fraction" it's " 'over 70% of all [Linux] kernel development is demonstrably done by developers who are being paid for their work.' "

 

 

Maybe someday you will understand.

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

Pay the buggers to write device drivers for the freakin devices that  lose interrupts all the time

 

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walterbyrd, wtf are you trying to prove here?  That someone threw a few dollar bills at only 70% of linux developers?  That's all your link and quote proves. 

 

 Whereas,  its very likely that 100% of Microsoft kernel developers earn $100k/year or more, and get to enjoy the amenities of working for a company like Microsoft.  So obviously the Microsoft model is far better for developers than the welfare F/OSS model.

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

 Or you could just have companies like Oracle buy it all up, sue when they don't like what you used,  and laugh all the way to the bank.

java, MySQL, OpenOffice, etc. 

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

 


peanutbutterandjelly wrote:

 Or you could just have companies like Oracle buy it all up, sue when they don't like what you used,  and laugh all the way to the bank.

java, MySQL, OpenOffice, etc. 


Oracle can't buy it up. The F/OSS community will fork the products. Seems that all major techs are filing lawsuits against F/OSS, and each other, and everybody else. Apple has sued HTC, and is suing Motorola, Motorola is suing Apple right back, Microsoft is suing everybody, mostly by proxies like Acacia and Scox; and those few examples are just the tip of the iceberg. The US patent system is badly broken.

 

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

walterbyrd,

"Oracle can't buy it up. The F/OSS community will fork the products. Seems that all major techs are filing lawsuits against F/OSS, and each other, and everybody else. Apple has sued HTC, and is suing Motorola, Motorola is suing Apple right back, Microsoft is suing everybody, mostly by proxies like Acacia and Scox; and those few examples are just the tip of the iceberg. The US patent system is badly broken."

 

 

Software should be copyrighted, not patented.

 

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pitz wrote:

walterbyrd, wtf are you trying to prove here?  That someone threw a few dollar bills at only 70% of linux developers?  That's all your link and quote proves. 

 

 Whereas,  its very likely that 100% of Microsoft kernel developers earn $100k/year or more, and get to enjoy the amenities of working for a company like Microsoft.  So obviously the Microsoft model is far better for developers than the welfare F/OSS model.


 

It goes with saying that you have no factual data to back up your dubious assertions. You simply presume - based on nothing - that F/OSS developers are paid substantially less than their proprietary counterparts.

 

BTW: the MS model works for MS, and several other companies, but that model does not work for a lot of companies. The F/OSS model also works well for a lot of companies. Too bad you can not understand that.

 

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Re: Paid Developers Power the Linux Kernel

walterbyrd,

 

I'm not really sure whether it's fair to extrapolate that all OSS software developers get paid like kernel developers.

 

I've fixed a few minor bugs in a couple open source projects and submitted them upstream. One was a high memory corruption issue in the Boches PC emulator (which evolved to qemu and then kvm). I also submitted patches for OpenVPN udp connection timing bugs which were not directly accepted. The fixes were really for my own benefit, but technically if anyone had done an audit I am pretty sure the upstream developers would get the credit and not me. For all I know, the upstream developers may have been paid.

 

I'm not complaining in the least, I have benefited many times over with OSS, but I'm honestly not sure how accurately we can trust the accounting.

 

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