How do the foreign students afford a US education?

[ldunton]

US students seem to be required to go into massive debt to get a college education. How do foreign students (Phd/masters especially) afford a US education?

[mlardizabal]

Depends on where the student came from.  Arab students usually get subsidies from their countries governments. While for Asian students, its more a cultural thing because Asian parents put so much emphasis on education (to the point of going bankrupt themselves) just to have their kids goto the best schools.

As for US parents and students,  there seem to be an emphasis on retirement first then kids education second as exposed by the Suze Orman theology. Of course I maybe wrong.

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ldunton wrote:
US students seem to be required to go into massive debt to get a college education. How do foreign students (Phd/masters especially) afford a US education?

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[JCPOPESCU]

Understand this:

As it is right now the governments of China and India think the way to world dominance is by 1) keeping currency exchange rates artificially low making their goods and services cheaper and 2) despite such low exchange rates subsidising the education of the young a LOT more heavily than the US Government does.

Also, from a cultural perspective, especially amongst the Chinese, they are extremely clannish and think nothing of cutting living expenses by cramming many generations of many people under one roof.    Many an American Boy has been horrified by the prospects of his Chinese bride moving her parents, grandparents, and even great grandparents into what, traditionally in American culture, would be a one family , one generation, home.

By such living arrangements, cramming many to a residence,  the expenses of living as well as college funds for the young are spread over many people.   An analogy would be trailers with multiple wheels and axles bearing a load that could not be safely supported by fewer axle and wheel sets.

[DW]

I think it’s beginning to sound like a “American Man’s burden”.  Scholarships, internships, working for the school part time to get like a 50% discount on the education.   Yes, a job on campus that would pay minimum wage to you, but it can easily pay $14/ and a tuition discount to a foreign student....

It can be very easy, you as a US citizen, may not get a Federal Tuition Grant or A loan, either because your parent make to much money (more then a minimum wage) or because your credit history is under 750, but a foreign student may still qualify and then leave the country without even paying it off.  

Incidentally, please stay away from Kean University !

[JCPOPESCU]

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DW wrote:

I think it’s beginning to sound like a “American Man’s burden”.  Scholarships, internships, working for the school part time to get like a 50% discount on the education.   Yes, a job on campus that would pay minimum wage to you, but it can easily pay $14/ and a tuition discount to a foreign student....

It can be very easy, you as a US citizen, may not get a Federal Tuition Grant or A loan, either because your parent make to much money (more then a minimum wage) or because your credit history is under 750, but a foreign student may still qualify and then leave the country without even paying it off.  

Incidentally, please stay away from Kean University !

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One can't help but wonder how widespread the practices that made Kean a diploma mill are coming into vogue at other institutions...

Bill Clinton once said it's not wise to confront your banker.  In this case your banker being the Chinese Government...

[tsar510]

Here is one way they get their degrees;

Dickinson State University in North Dakota came under fire on Friday for awarding degrees to over 500 foreign students who did not earn them, going back as far as 2003.

An internal audit, which was conducted by the North Dakota University System, revealed that 584 students, all participating in special programs for international students, were given a degree under false pretenses. The report showed that only 10 students obtained degrees properly.

The students were almost all from China, although some were from Russia.  They were enrolled at Dickinson State through exchange programs known as Dual-Degree Joint, Top Up and Disney, which involves seven months in residence at the Walt Disney World Resort in Orlando, Fla., and six months of study at Dickinson State.

“The procedures that are in place were not properly implemented,” Ms. Moe said.

In some cases, Dickinson granted degrees to students who had not earned the proper amount of credits, did not meet minimum admissions requirements, or submitted falsified transcripts from their Chinese universities.

 http://thechoice.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/10/degrees-without-the-work-for-foreign-students-at-a-nor...

[pitz]

Foreign students can rack up huge amounts of debt.  If they can't find a job, they can just leave the USA and the government gets stuck with the tab.  If they can find a job, then they pay it back. 

They tend to live more frugually as well.

[DW]

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JCPOPESCU wrote:

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One can't help but wonder how widespread the practices that made Kean a diploma mill are coming into vogue at other institutions...

Bill Clinton once said it's not wise to confront your banker.  In this case your banker being the Chinese Government...

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I don't know, don't want to know and umm... I don't think I am going to be able to figure this one out.   But my income actually went down after getting the diploma....  From my perspective the worst investment I have ever made!  This conversation has actually reminded me of this yet another grievances with the school...   

Hmm.... I do believe I am going to target the reputation of the school and it's graduates from now on...

[JCPOPESCU]

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DW wrote:

I don't know, don't want to know and umm... I don't think I am going to be able to figure this one out.   But my income actually went down after getting the diploma....  From my perspective the worst investment I have ever made!  This conversation has actually reminded me of this yet another grievances with the school...   

Hmm.... I do believe I am going to target the reputation of the school and it's graduates from now on...

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I feel my chances of finding work , especially an attempt to find a backstop job not in Engineering or IT, were drastically reduced when I could claim a degree, or two, to my name.  

Do I consider my education investment a bad one ?  Not at all and, more to the point, absolutely not.

There's no way I could have accomplished all I did, both professionally and personally, without the benefit of my education.   There's absolutely no way I could have developed products for what once was my own company or much less entertained the proposition of becoming a tech company in the first place.

Should I consider dumbing myself down ? No.

One thing I would caution against, I know having been there and done that myself, is any kind of self hatred, self doubt, or anything that suggests you may be imploding under your own misery.   There's a certain amount of self-blame that's healthy insofar as inducing change or realizing the problem and solution are within however when it's a constant stream of beating yourself up then something is wrong.

[DW]

But I have accomplished nothing because of that degree and any attempt on my part to accomplish something was prevented.

My Kean Degree is not in Engineering one. What ever knowledge I have attained at school I never used because the people that entrapped me into doing business with me immediately after graduation, made it to disgusting for me to work in that field.   To add offence to an injury they are still having trouble with the concept that I want to have nothing to do with them.

I spoke to some people on LI with grad degrees from that same school, and that degree did nothing positive for them either.   Since I have no intention of ever using what-ever knowledge that degree gave me and what ever people that surrounded me after graduation I aim to have no business affiliation with.  What the is the value of this degree?

Let them figure it out amongst them-self who is the bigger dushe-bag, I am want no affiliation with anything and any-one including the State of NJ, that licensed those people and accredited the school.