01-10-2012 02:20 PM - last edited on 01-10-2012 02:23 PM
Why are company recruiters such a difficult bunch to work with?
I seem to have the worst experiences with company recruiters, not the third parties.
They are unlikely to respond unless you have a referral from an employee. Even if they do grace you with their response, they are unprofessional. Proposing a time to talk and not bothering to follow up, rude or unacceptably direct language, etc. And I am talking about brand name firms like Genentech, Thomson Reuters, Blackboard etc. When someone(like Silversurfer) says company recruiters are held to a higher standard, I always wonder what they are smoking. Aren't the recruiters working for companies are supposed to be better than third party or contingency recruiters? Why is it that you can expect more respectful and professional interactions with hiring managers, but not with recruiters?
What are some tips and tricks that seem to work for you in dealing with the company recruiters?
01-10-2012 02:52 PM
Do companies even have recruiters anymore ?
If they do I think their jobs are more specific to general HR functions than actually going out and meeting with potential employees.
I would have to agree with you. I've seen some company recruiters who are , in short, a VERY bad advertisement for their company and if anything discourage anyone with half a brain from seeking employment.
Third party recruiters: Gads. They are just plain awfull by any measure.
01-10-2012 02:59 PM
They assign the worst recruiters to IT because they don't value the positions.
Basic job of a corporate recruiter is to drive the rickety old pickup down to Home Depot and get nine developers to jump in the back.
01-10-2012 03:07 PM
0xFFFFFFFF wrote:They assign the worst recruiters to IT because they don't value the positions.
Basic job of a corporate recruiter is to drive the rickety old pickup down to Home Depot and get nine developers to jump in the back.
HA HA HA HA HA !!!!!
Way to funny and in all proability very true.
01-10-2012 10:20 PM
0xFFFFFFFF wrote:They assign the worst recruiters to IT because they don't value the positions.
Basic job of a corporate recruiter is to drive the rickety old pickup down to Home Depot and get nine developers to jump in the back.
Bahaha...
Good one. Bravo!
01-11-2012 11:52 AM
PhillyGuy wrote:
0xFFFFFFFF wrote:They assign the worst recruiters to IT because they don't value the positions.
Basic job of a corporate recruiter is to drive the rickety old pickup down to Home Depot and get nine developers to jump in the back.
Bahaha...
Good one. Bravo!
I was thinking: More like drive the rickety old pickup past the Mosque, or to the local convienience store where the "developers" typically hang out.
Eh.... They're probably making far more money selling cigarettes and alcohol to minors...
01-11-2012 01:01 PM
Dear mizd,
First, be persistent but not too forceful or abrasive with company recruiters. They are inundated with candidates and tend to be a bit more timid than third party recruiters. Second, ply them with reasons to consider you. In-house recruiters are measured on time-to-hire, cost-per-hire, candidate quality, new hire retention and stakeholder satisfaction so naturally, they’re reluctant to refer a candidate who doesn't meet a hiring manager's expectations. Plus, for some reason, employers refuse to take any risks right now. So, the more you customize your resume and explain why you're the right person for the job, the more confident a recruiter will be about passing your resume along. Third, there's no reason why recruiters can't communicate or provide updates, but don’t bite the hand that feeds you. Some companies actually care enough to survey candidates, so take the opportunity to provide constructive feedback whenever possible.
Good luck.
01-13-2012 03:35 PM - last edited on 01-13-2012 03:43 PM
...Why are company recruiters such a difficult bunch to work with?...
Typically, they're not (more to follow)...
...I seem to have the worst experiences with company recruiters, not the third parties...
That is the exception to the rule (more to follow)...
...They are unlikely to respond unless you have a referral from an employee. Even if they do grace you with their response, they are unprofessional. Proposing a time to talk and not bothering to follow up, rude or unacceptably direct language, etc. And I am talking about brand name firms like Genentech, Thomson Reuters, Blackboard etc. When someone(like Silversurfer) says company recruiters are held to a higher standard, I always wonder what they are smoking....
Sounds to me like you are dealing with an "HR Generalist", rather than a true Recruiter. HR Generalists are fine in regards to performing HR functions, but Recruiting is much more complex and requires significantly more experience, skill, knowledge, common-sense, and perception than performing HR functions. Recruiters deal directly with people, and have to have the ability to listen, interpret, and make decisions independently, and HR does not. HR is guided by policies, and they follow them to the letter. Recruiting requires independent thought and decision-making skills, and your typical Generalist does not have those skills or experience.
If you spoke to someone with the title "Recruiter", and did not treat you professionally, then they were either a Generalist throwing the title at you, or one of those 90-day wonders you have read so much about on this board. I seriously doubt you were dealing with a legitimate Recruiter...
...Aren't the recruiters working for companies are supposed to be better than third party or contingency recruiters? Why is it that you can expect more respectful and professional interactions with hiring managers, but not with recruiters?...
You must be an exception. Most people on this board (and most people that I have spoken to) have indicated the in most cases, the "Hiring Manager" has not treated them very well, either. Most were curt, direct, weren't really paying attention, and did not show indications of actually reading the candidate's resume. And, yes, I AM speaking of the "Hiring Managers". And, in the vast majority of cases, yes, the internal Recruiter (the real ones) ARE significantly better than the Agency ones. But, as with anything else, there are always exceptions...
01-13-2012 05:04 PM
I guess the only real one I've dealt with is Cerner. I've had recruiters call me for jobs there 3 different times in the past 5 years or so. The first one they wanted me to do programming for VB.net when I explained that if you look at my resume I haven't used that since my very first class when I started my IT degree. I didn't know they wanted that until I went in for the interview. They asked me about the things I did in the class, tried to explain that classes were 8 weeks long and I haven't done that in 2 years. Even then I wasn't the greatest at it because it was my first IT class.
They called me awhile ago and wanted me to do a helpdesk job. I didn't get that because I don't have enough experience with hardware (that is what I was told). The job description all they did with hardware is recycle laptops. You don't need to know anything about hardware for that.
I've also been called about working directly with servers, now that I don't have experience with.
Who is looking at these resumes? They keep telling me they are the recruiter for the IT, do they not see that I'm not even listing programming languages anymore?
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