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[IAmNumber813]

Happy Days Are Here Again. Just Kidding.

Dice: US tech unemployment stands at 3.3%

Tech unemployment also stood at 3.3% during the third quarter of 2012, but was 4.4% during the first quarter, Dice said.

"The tech segment of the labor market is doing quite well on a number of fronts," said Scot Melland, CEO of Dice Holdings. "There's good job growth in this economy. It has low unemployment, meaning there's very few people on the beach."

During the first two months of the fourth quarter, an average of 388,000 workers in professional and business services quit their positions each month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Melland expects to see tech salaries increase in 2012 when Dice releases its salary survey in the coming weeks.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9235797/Dice_US_tech_unemployment_stands_at_3.3_

http://marketing.dice.com/pdf/2012_Q4_TechTrends_Report.pdf

B-arbra S-treisand.

When responding, don't hurt Scot Melland's feelings and get banned from Dice.com.

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Boycott Companies That Boycott American STEM Professionals

[I_Wana_Be_IT_KID]

I have heard the low unemployment numbers for IT workers here on dice, and always treated it as a roomer.  If there is a statistic that can be officially explained.  How does Dice come up with this number?

[dataguy]

Maybe for H1B it is low unemployment numbers but not for American STEM workers!

[pitz]

A firm like Google, that basically pays average salaries, and relatively modest ones at that, would not be receiving 1000 resumes per position in a 3.3% unemployment environment. 

[twins.fan]

My comments:

This story is just more corporate LIES designed to justify the importation of cheap labor from the third world.

The only way that the unemployment rate can be calculated to be that low is to ignore the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised US STEM workers who have been forced out of their careers by cheap third world workers immigrating into the US on the H-1B visa and other work visas that replace US STEM workers.

[twins.fan]

Another comment:

This propaganda should speak to the PERSONAL integrity of Scott Melland. He has been spouting these lies for several years now, and Melland continues to spread them. Melland has been repeatedly corrected, but Melland continues to spread his lies.

Honesty is in short supply in the executive offices at Dice.  This is just part of the public relations fraud being spread by Scott Melland.

Dice jobs boards are ineffective.  Melland regularly concocts numbers touting the numbers of jobs available through Dice.  The people who use Dice, have a term for the "jobs" advertised at Dice.  Dice's "jobs" are called non-jobs.

[austintx]

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twins.fan wrote:

The only way that the unemployment rate can be calculated to be that low is to ignore the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised US STEM workers who have been forced out of their careers by cheap third world workers immigrating into the US on the H-1B visa and other work visas that replace US STEM workers.

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I have experienced myself the American IT job market is dead but are there any real and credible statistics that for example the real unemployment rate amongst IT workers is like a few dozen percent?

I looked at the US department of labor statistics but couldn't find anything and most of the media is still talking about 'shortages'.

[twins.fan]

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austintx wrote:

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twins.fan wrote:

The only way that the unemployment rate can be calculated to be that low is to ignore the hundreds of thousands of disenfranchised US STEM workers who have been forced out of their careers by cheap third world workers immigrating into the US on the H-1B visa and other work visas that replace US STEM workers.

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I have experienced myself the American IT job market is dead but are there any real and credible statistics that for example the real unemployment rate amongst IT workers is like a few dozen percent?

I looked at the US department of labor statistics but couldn't find anything and most of the media is still talking about 'shortages'.

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Yes there ARE real data.  Every six months or so some of the professional organizations publish statistics about the number of engineers and scientists who have had to leave the profession.  There are several hundreds thousands of each.

Weirdly some of the most damaged victims are the emancipated workers who came here on work visas, especially if their language skills are not PERFECT.

[weaver]

I have a subscription to the unpublished CPS quarterly occupational reports

"CPS data are not related in any way to employment and earnings estimates from the OES program.  Briefly, the two surveys differ in concept and methodology and thus result in different data series.  The CPS is a monthly survey of households that collects information on the characteristics of the labor force from individuals responding to the survey.  Employment in the CPS is comprehensive and includes all persons who did any work at all as paid employees, worked in their own business or profession or on their own farm, or worked 15 hours or more as unpaid workers in a family-operated enterprise.  Also included as employed are persons with a job but not at work during the survey reference week due to a temporary absence.  Occupation data for unemployed persons refer to the experienced unemployed only, classified according to the occupation of their last job. "

[nbb7304]

Note that the "over 2%" increase in salary Dice reports is right around the rate of inflation; in other words, in real terms salaries are flat.  Not really a sign of recovery.