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http://m.economictimes.com/PDAET/articleshow/9999056.cms

ITUS jobs data suggests fears of Indian IT firms taking away good American jobs may be exaggerated 16 Sep, 2011, 0701 hrs IST, SHRUTI SABHARWAL, INDU NANDAKUMAR & RITUPARNA CHATTERJEE, ET Bureau MUMBAI | SAN FRANCISCO: After years of bad press in the US, Indian IT firms finally have some reason to cheer. Data released by the US Bureau of Labor Statistics suggests that fears of Indian tech firms taking away good American jobs may be exaggerated, with the IT industry having some of the lowest unemployment rates in the world's largest economy.

The US IT unemployment rate dropped from 4.7% to 3.8% between March and May this year. In the same period, total unemployment rose from 8.9% to 9.1%, according to the US Bureau of Labor Statistics.

The unemployment rate in computer and mathematical occupations (which includes IT) came down from 4.3% in August last year to 3.7% in August this year. Indian tech firms have borne the brunt of negative public sentiment — an outsourcing backlash led to states like Ohio banning outsourcing of government projects; cost of H-1B visa (temporary work visa) getting doubled; and companies like Infosys being referred to as "chop shops" by US politicians.

But now, with unemployment in the technology sector only a third of the US average, IT firms see a ray of hope. "Around 3-4% of unemployment in a sector actually means that there is a shortage of the right people to hire and not a shortage of jobs.

Technology companies in the US are hiring because the sector is doing well and because these companies are undergoing a transformation as they move towards cloud computing, mobility and virtualisation etc. The issue about outsourcing and visas is misplaced," Nasscom President Som Mittal said.

Finding Good Talent Tough

According to Mittal, the US should be looking to attract more highly-skilled employees and some of the bills in the offing like the Entrepreneurship Bill are aimed at this. Technology companies in the US say finding good talent at the right salary remains as tough as it was two decades ago when large American corporations started sending work to countries like India.

The number of US employers reporting difficulty in filling open positions jumped from 14% last year to 52% in 2011, according to global workforce solutions firm ManpowerGroup. US start-up Credit Sesame interviewed 15 local, pre-screened and qualified candidates for the post of a web developer and still could not close the hire.

"After looking for over two months, we just had to cast our net wider and opt for talent from abroad," says Connie Bianco Weisman, a recruiting relationship manager at Plug and Play Tech Center who has spent 20 years in Silicon Valley incubating start-ups and helping them recruit.

"The web developer finally came from Bosnia on an H1 visa." Despite the higher costs of H-1B visas, companies are resorting to this and are hiring talent from wherever they can. India is among the largest talent pools sending tech workers to the US on H1 visas and also offshoring IT services from the US to India.

"Companies in Silicon Valley would like to have someone inhouse, somebody who is readily available, but it is getting harder and harder to find them, and to pay them," she adds. That creates an economic rationale for offshoring tech jobs. An IT job is the sixth-hardest role to fill in the US compared with the eighth hardest globally, according to an earlier 2011 survey by ManpowerGroup.

Industry watchers say engineers in the US are either looking for compelling technologies to work on or they are opting for the lucrative financial sector jobs instead. This distaste for IT services, perceived to be a repetitive job, is among the reasons for the talent shortage in the US. The available IT workers (in the US) may not possess the skills that businesses are looking for, according to Manpower-Group.

There is a supply of workers, but technology is evolving so fast and product lifecycles are so short and often local skills have not kept pace. "Many job seekers have now been out of work for a long time and their skill-sets have become antiquated in the interim," a ManpowerGroup spokesperson said.

The war for talent in the US, experts say, is such that large companies are hiring one year before they are actually deploying recruits. The demand is not limited to the technology sector alone. "There is a huge demand for computer science students.

The banking industry is looking for people with IT skills. So are pharmaceutical companies," Rick McClintic, director of engineering career resources and employer relations office, Penn State College of Engineering, said. "The next career fair at Penn State University is scheduled to take place later this month and over 550 companies have already registered — majority of them from the tech industry." A triage of US academia, political fraternity and tech industry have been striving to generate greater interest among students, positioning technology as a premier career option.

But experts believe a significant change in the demand-supply situation is at least a decade away. McClintic, however, says there has been some shift in perception since the recession. Indian IT companies have also been stepping up their recruitment in the US as they emerge as global players with a global workforce.

But most of them are hiring for client-facing, front-end roles. Infosys, for instance, is hiring more consultants than IT staff in the US. The company plans to increase its headcount in the US by 1,500 this year.
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US Bureau of Labor Statistics is a joke.
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Re: Unemployment 3.7% in

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What a sad article.  Top grads still don't get 'the time of day' from employers.  3.7% unemployment, yeah right. 

 

"Connie Bianco Weisman, a recruiting relationship manager at Plug and Play Tech Center who has spent 20 years in Silicon Valley incubating start-ups and helping them recruit."

 

That's certainly not consistent with her LinkedIn Profile:

 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/connieweisman

 

I only see 3 years, 7 months of experience in the tech industry on her LinkedIn profile (the rest was working at miscellaneous positions in the medical insurance industry, and otherwise being the wife of a physician!).  Of course, embellishing credentials is 'par' for the course in this business.

 

How 3 years, 7 months of recruiting experience, magically becomes "20 years....incubating start-ups..." is beyond me.   And since she's listed jobs going back to the 1980s and has a 11-year resume gap (stay at home mom?), its not very likely that she's ommitting a big part of her work experience history on LinkedIn.   

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The question is, "Who do you include in unemployment statistics?"  Unfortunately, most people, who count unemployment statistics, ignore hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions, of US STEM workers who have been pushed out of their careers by the massive importation of cheap, entry level, third world workers primarily from India and Communist China.

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Good point twins.fans, the past decade of grads, for instance, wouldn't even be classified as unemployed tech workers because most were never able to even find entry-level employment in the tech sector. 

 

Interviewing 15 web developers from a 'pre-qualified' stack of resumes, not finding anyone 'suitable', and then hiring a Bosnian H1-B, pretty much says it all -- these people won't be happy until no US Citizen is left in the field. 

 

"harder to find them, and to pay them"

 

Well geez, after pursuing over a decade of brain-dead policy like 'free' software, and 'free' online services (like Google)...  As I've said many times, the revenue model for the industry is broken.  The numbers are coming out on Facebook (revenue-wise), and quite frankly, they look pathetic. 

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There is a supply of workers, but technology is evolving so fast and product lifecycles are so short and often local skills have not kept pace. "Many job seekers have now been out of work for a long time and their skill-sets have become antiquated in the interim," a ManpowerGroup spokesperson said.

I don't know where they are finding monthly unemployment by Industry, here are employment level charts.

 

517 Telecommunication All Employees (Seas)

 

 

 

 

Series Id:     CES6054150001
Seasonally Adjusted
Super Sector:  Professional and business services
Industry:      Computer systems design and related services
NAICS Code:    5415
Data Type:     ALL EMPLOYEES, THOUSANDS



 

 

 

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Something isn't adding up here...

 

Industry and class of worker

Number of

 

Unemployment

 

unemployed

rates

 
 

persons

   
 

(in thousands)

  
 

Aug.

Aug.

Aug.

Aug.

 

2010

2011

2010

2011

Total, 16 years and over(

14,759

14,008

9.5

9.1

1

    

)

    
     

Nonagricultural private wage and salary workers

11,285

10,524

9.4

8.8

     

Mining, quarrying, and oil and gas extraction

93

53

10.9

5.8

     

Construction

1,483

1,154

17

13.5

     

Manufacturing

1,463

1,365

9.5

8.9

     

Durable goods

984

876

10

9.1

     

Nondurable goods

479

489

8.6

8.6

     

Wholesale and retail trade

1,909

1,851

9.3

9.1

     

Transportation and utilities

440

537

7.3

8.7

     

Information

302

204

9.7

6.9

     

Financial activities

606

565

6.7

6.2

     

Professional and business services

1,524

1,440

10.5

9.5

     

Education and health services

1,430

1,371

6.7

6.3

     

Leisure and hospitality

1,507

1,399

10.8

10.5

     

Other services

530

585

8.3

9

     

Agriculture and related private wage and salary workers

114

135

7.9

8

     

Government workers

1,292

1,271

6

6

     

Self-employed workers, unincorporated, and unpaid family workers

638

668

6.1

6.4

     

 

 

 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t14.htm

 

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Re: Unemployment 3.7% in

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Vin, quoted an article from Indian News Paper site, Economictimes.com. You can not trust much on Indian media. They don't do much of the analysis. Facts are well known to American public. Indian media can write anything. Indian press have great freedom. We all know Indian system. I have friends working for this news group.

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Neeraj Pandey wrote:

Vin, quoted an article from Indian News Paper site, Economictimes.com. You can not trust much on Indian media. They don't do much of the analysis. Facts are well known to American public. Indian media can write anything. Indian press have great freedom. We all know Indian system. I have friends working for this news group.



I did find some growth figures from the Industry, "Professional and related occupations" (which employs about 25% of Computer-related ocupations).  BLS is showing some growth, there may be loss in other Industries.  I'm looking for a crosswalk table to map Industries to occupational percentages.

 

 

 

Professional and related occupations Industry (Growth/loss)

72,400

 
   
   
   

Professional and related occupations

Percent of Industry

 Yr Growth/Loss (Aug, 2010 - Aug, 2011)
   

Computer software engineers, applications

12.1

8,760

   

Computer software engineers, systems software

7.8

5,647

   

Computer support specialists

6.9

4,996

   

Computer systems analysts

8.7

6,299

   

Database administrators

1.3

941

   

Network and computer systems administrators

3.5

2,534

   

Network systems and data communications analysts

2.9

2,100

   

Total Computer-Related Occupation in Industry (Growth/loss)

 

31,277

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pitz wrote:

What a sad article.  Top grads still don't get 'the time of day' from employers.  3.7% unemployment, yeah right. 

 

"Connie Bianco Weisman, a recruiting relationship manager at Plug and Play Tech Center who has spent 20 years in Silicon Valley incubating start-ups and helping them recruit."

 

That's certainly not consistent with her LinkedIn Profile:

 

http://www.linkedin.com/in/connieweisman

 

I only see 3 years, 7 months of experience in the tech industry on her LinkedIn profile (the rest was working at miscellaneous positions in the medical insurance industry, and otherwise being the wife of a physician!).  Of course, embellishing credentials is 'par' for the course in this business.

 

How 3 years, 7 months of recruiting experience, magically becomes "20 years....incubating start-ups..." is beyond me.   And since she's listed jobs going back to the 1980s and has a 11-year resume gap (stay at home mom?), its not very likely that she's ommitting a big part of her work experience history on LinkedIn.   


Good find pitz.... yep just goes to show you anyone can claim to be anything in the "professional" world.

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